68 142 Law reform agencies are, in my view, indispensable in promoting access to justice through bringing outdated laws up to date, both in terms of their policy content and their expression. There are obviously challenges in increasing both the rate and speed  of  implementing  law  reform  proposals,  at  least  in  this  country.  Success depends on acceptance by governments of the importance of having legislation that reflects  contemporary  needs  and  aspirations,  and  it  also  requires  acceptance  by legislators of those objectives. For the most part, law reform measures ought to proceed without being treated as raising issues of fundamental constitutional, social, or political importance requiring the most rigorous scrutiny. In other words, in a climate of trust, the prospects for acceptance should be greater. 143 Ministers will always want advice that law reform proposals are sound. After all, it is the Ministers who take responsibility for the legislation required to implement those proposals and who also have to procure any necessary funding. They will seek that advice from their departmental advisers, who will usually also have to support particular measures through the legislative process. That is constitutionally right and proper. 144 One suspects that in New Zealand resource constraint is where a large part of the problem lies. Law reform agencies must engage with governments at all levels. A culture of co-operation with government’s adviso rs is essential. We have seen in New Zealand that it can be very effective. Independence is important, but it cannot be allowed to stop the wheels from turning. Persistence is also essential. Lobby groups agitate all the time and they get results.